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The existance of this issue should at least be made very clear to the potential buyers of this software. While the website clearly states the the XP version is in beta, the high asking price (especially for someone who also wants access to the FSX version) and the "now compatible" mention plastered everywhere has the customer expect some level of playability or at least quick fixes to big issues like this. To me clouds clipping in front of objects and giving me headaches isnt really playable at all.

Erion wrote:So I kinda feel like him, it's been unplayable since I've started using it. And I bought x-plane and flyinside just for the VR experience. I wouldn't fly non-VR, except IRL. So yeah, I might be a bit more patient, but I do feel the same way, it is VERY expensive, especially buying it the third time (even though the second was cheaper), and it is not working.

Well I tend to agree here. I use Flyinside for X-plane only for "demo" circle flights next to the airport because of all those shortcomings. However it has been said Austin is developing a native VR support finally. He said that in the interview he wants to show it on summertime in Hartford. (https://www.helisimmer.com/interview/x- ... tin-meyer/) Lets see if this support is going to be absolutely crappy (like P3D native VR support) or it will give X-pany flyers a hope.
As of today the situation is very funny:
P3D: FlyInside works well but the sim is crap. I just cant stand unealistic FSX flight simulation
X-plane: well everyone's has its own judgement

P.S. Paid full price for FlyInside for P3D and X-plane and still dont fly any. Funny huh?
P.P.S. I think most of the VR flightsimmers already purchased FlyInside for their belowed sim. So I can understand there is not much of commercial sense to develop it further. Apart from all being said FlyInside gave me a very good VR experience of virtual cockpit presense and I think it valued its license cost for me.

I'm picking up a slightly entitled feel from some of the post. XPlane just came out of Beta relatively a few days ago and its been like hitting a moving target prior. What was fixed in one version is broken in another. If one wants a bit of stability, FSX is set and there are no more updates and unless things change the current version of P3D v3.4X was stated as being the last version of the v3's. I personally dont see how having to use a more cloud free sky for a temporary fix is much different than using a sim that has no seasons.

Full disclosure, I have both P3D and XP and am also waiting for some fixes. Both some that have been stated as fix and will be in the next version of FI and some that are on the list to be fixed.

Entitled as in paid a lot of money and its in a much worse shape than the original flyinside-fsx was when it was in free beta, while there are no updates for 4 months an would like to know what to expect? Sure.
Also, YES, you are entitled to working products when you pay for them! You are especially entitled to products that don't hurt you! It has become some kinda negative thing to call people entitled in the gaming community when they expect to get what they pay for, but it's not, it's the only thing keeping companies honest. These are not a few bugs popping up here and there, but gamebreaking bugs popping up every time in every scenario people would like to use it. So, yes, you are entitled to receive fixes as soon as possible. You are even entitled to that by law around here, or a refund, but I'd much more like it to get the fixes if possible.

So, be my guest telling us to be patient, as I said before, I am, and I can understand the problems they have, even if in my opinion that moving target wasnt moving all that much, especially when the black screen thingy is there is both xp10 and 11, and 10 was final for years, but don't pull this pejorative entitled argument.

As for the clouds, for me they are the most important part of the scenery, while they are also part of the medium you operate in, weather is one of the most important factors in flight, while seasons are just the icing on the cake of realism, weather is the cake itself and clouds are an integral part of it. Also the argument is flawed, just because one thing(seasons) is not perfect, it's not an excuse for something else to not work at all.

Well you could always buy his competitions version for VR if you feel so strongly that he is dragging his feet on keeping two completely different platform versions updated as they both keep changing things on him while he works to add features and fine tune the software.

How is this relevant? This has nothing to do with products having to work when you buy them. I even mentioned a refund, when you get a refund, you are not entitled to fixes anymore, obviously. Having or not having a competition has nothing to do with it, it just puts the company in a monopoly situation, in which it has more power, but since this whole entitled or not argument is about morals and rights, a company that abuses that power for example by not fixing it's faulty product is moraly very-very wrong. Now, before you misunderstand, I'm not saying that is what is happening in this case (even if it was mentioned by someone earlier), this whole argument is theoretical, I have full trust in them, and from an emotional standpoint I am even grateful, because I was here from the very early free versions and They made it possible for us to fly at home. But you started this entitlement thing, and I stand ba what I said, we are entitled to fixes or a refund (which I do not want, I know they will fix this eventually), monopoly situation or not.
I am mostly typing this, because you touched a nerve. Your argument is present in the whole gaming industry, and nowadays it is possible to create games that don't work on most PCs and get away with it, not fix it and just ignore the complaints. And those,who complain because they just threw away 50-60 bucks for nothing are often labeled entitled, while as a matter of fact, they actually and in a positive meaning, are.

Hi Guys,

First off, just make sure you two keep it civil (you've done well so far). Criticism of the product will always be allowed on the forum (we don't censor that), and civil debate between users is allowed (even encouraged) so far as it remains polite, but if this turns into a flame-war I'll have to lock it. It's been good so far, just wanted to let you guys know in-case this keeps going a while

So first off, Erion, I'd agree that you're 100% in the right to expect bug-fixes, and want a product that works for you. That's a perfectly fair request, not being entitled.

Kilstorm is correct though in saying that the pace of updates has kept us on our toes. The black screen bug may also exist in X-Plane 10, but the various X-Plane 11 updates have made it hard to focus on that one specific bug. X-Plane 11 also forced our hand in releasing HDR support earlier than we would've liked (enabling it by default and such). The original FlyInside FSX was so stable in beta, as I'd spent close to a year working on FSX support at that point, with no changes to deal with from the FSX team. Our X-Plane 11 support will reach the same level of stability, and hopefully in half the time or less.

Personal opinions aside, we expect to have X-Plane 11 support in much better shape, with a public release before end-of-April. We now have a fix for the clouds bug under internal testing (seems to be working), improvements in scaling issues with ATC/map windows. As the X-Plane update rate now slows down a bit, we're hoping to get back to a faster feature/bug-fix schedule, so no-one is waiting 4 months next time. Erion, all I can say, is please wait one or two more weeks, we are close on some large improvements!

Thanks,
Dan

Hi Dan,

as I said before, I'm thankful for your replies and I'm thankful for allowing me to fly in my home, and of course I'm patient. I mean I can't wait for it to be working, but I'll wait as long as needed.
I just had to reply, because 'entitled' is a trigger word for me, but it wasn't really about you, rather theoretical about the state of the gaming industry and fair trade of goods and services in general.

BTW, I don't have a scaling problems, because windows don't show up at all inside VR for me. Is this a different problem then, or do I need to do something to bring them in? Also, I don't see many people talk about the black tiles in the distance thingy, but for me that is the one that breaks non-HDR rendering, is that a known bug or is it like that just for me? ('cause I'm special).

Thanks