The problem of world scale (edit: some corrections)

[frui]

Edit 1: Sorry I was wrong. The world scale adjustment in Flyinside option applies BOTH to the cockpit AND the outside world. I increase the cockpit size to maximum and the road beneath me becomes very broad too. This is fantastic! I am very happy. Thank you Dan for the brilliant work!

Edit 2: There are still problems. When I increase the cockpit size to maximum, the nearest cars, buildings, etc will look like normal size, but the cockpit will become absurdly big. So the cockpit is still out of portion with the nearest surroundings.
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Flyinside is absolutely incredible, but I find the new dimension it brings to FSX may also foreground the intrinsic problem of the non-VR applications. I mean the world scale problem. I do feel the landscape in VR mode looks smaller than in real life. This is more obvious in photoreal sceneries because there are real objects for reference. I attached a picture of the Bell 206 landing in the highway of Aosta. I made the scenery with 50cm aerial photos from Bing Map. As you can see the lane looks unrealisticly narrow. It is almost as narrow as the helicopter, which can't be possible. But I really don't know whether this is the problem of FSX, or Flyinside. Or is there any way to change the world scale? Yes I know there is an option in the setup panel, but it is for the adjustment of the cockpit, not the outer world. Any ideas?

Sorry I am not sure if the pic can be shown properly, and here is the url: http://imgur.com/NJyJSAm

[Sharkku]

The original 206 is very poorly modeled. The cockpit is too large to begin with. Could be part of the problem at least.

[Tony]

I agree, could you post the same screenshot in the R22 ?

Tony

[frui]

This is not related with the model of 206. I have changed the size of 206 many times with the world scale adjustment option of Flyinside, but the sense of the outside scenery remain the same.
I searched in Oculus Reddit and find many posts about the scale problem in other applications. They listed many possible causes: wrong IPD, eye relief, height settings in oculus control panel, or could be the setting of the original application. Minecrift used to have the scale problem, but later version overcame it. I changed my IPD and other settings. The changes seem to affect the size of the cockpit, but not the outer world.
I am also thinking that if the scale of the cockpit can be adjusted, can it be programmed to let the user to change the outer scale too?
Please try some photoreal mountain scenery to see if you also have the same feel. Only when in real scenery this "toyfication" effect pops up because you have comparison with the real object.

The original 206 is very poorly modeled. The cockpit is too large to begin with. Could be part of the problem at least.

[Robert]

Frui, some planes are just off on their scale in relation to the real world.

If you have any other planes or copters where the world scale feels about right, that goes a long way to eliminate a lot of bugs besides the plane or copter with the scale issues itself.

Generally aftermarket aircraft are much more accurate in pretty much everything than the stock FSX aircraft.

[frui]

Yeh now I know this problem is not easy to solve because FSX is not built for VR. Some day there will be a flight simulator built for VR from bottoms up and the world will be a happy place.
For FSX, probably most plane's cockpits are larger than their surroundings. It is indeed Dan's considerate effort to include an option to adjust the world scale.

Frui, some planes are just off on their scale in relation to the real world.

If you have any other planes or copters where the world scale feels about right, that goes a long way to eliminate a lot of bugs besides the plane or copter with the scale issues itself.

Generally aftermarket aircraft are much more accurate in pretty much everything than the stock FSX aircraft.

[admin]

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Now that I think about it, it should be possible to provide a separate "world" and "cockpit" scale rather than forcing both to work together.

[Robert]

Wow! That will make a number of people really happy! And it opens up some real "hanger flying" possibilities...

[frui]

Wow wow wow! That's the best news for me ever since I tried Flyinside. Can't thank you enough Dan. Almost tears.

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Now that I think about it, it should be possible to provide a separate "world" and "cockpit" scale rather than forcing both to work together.

[flibberflops]

Thanks for the detailed feedback. Now that I think about it, it should be possible to provide a separate "world" and "cockpit" scale rather than forcing both to work together.

That would be great.

Any chance the world scale can be given a visible number to make more exacting when altering the scale (at the moment its just amount of clicks up/down)?

... or even better, be able to specify a world scale in each aircraft.cfg ????